Talk:Policy for outsiders

How to handle new members
This case is simple IMO:
 * Every new member must be a personal acquaintance of at least one other member. (Or should we rather require that at least two, three, ..., N members know the new member?)
 * I think that the number of acquaintance is not the issue. I think that at the level of developement of VSOP today, we work simply on trust and friendship. So for me, "one personal acquaintance" is enough, as long as he/she is presented to everybody. :-) -- C édric [[Image:kmail.png|16px]]T alk  07:41, 14 October 2006 (CLT)

Tdall 14:07, 13 October 2006 (CLT)
 * Final acceptance by Thomas? (Or do we vote for acceptance? So far only ESO people joined, but it could be getting more complicated - also as we envision VSOP grow to use other facilities...)
 * I would say vote for acceptance. No vote means acceptance. Thomas take care of conflicts... -- C édric [[Image:kmail.png|16px]]T alk  07:41, 14 October 2006 (CLT)

whether there is anything against admission of the new member. In parallel what about keeping an up to date page with a list of all members and their institutions ? -- Gaspare
 * I would say the PI, Thomas, should coordinate the issue of "new" members, presenting them to the group and asking


 * Good point Gaspare. The affiliations could go in the V.S.O.P.:About page, where members are listed anyway.  And yeah, I guess it makes sense to make the invitation/vote of new members go through me. -- Tdall 14:26, 17 October 2006 (CLST)

How to handle outside use of VSOP targets
More complicated, but along the lines of what we did with V1045 Sco and Olivers collaboration.
 * Outside groups can use VSOP targets for follow-up, in-depth type programmes
 * This must be agreed upon by VSOP (Who? We vote? or the in-house experts say OK on a case-by-case basis?)
 * VSOP'ers must be free to join the outside groups investigation of the target and have to be included on any resulting publication mentioning the target. (Or??? and how to avoid VSOP'ers tagging along without doing any work - not that any of us would do such a thing of course, but outsiders may consider it a risk...)


 * I think the situation is simple. Once published, any VSOP target is obviously available for anybody...
 * When we have interesting VSOP results on a VSOP target not yet published, a "call for participation" should be sent to all VSOP'ers. Volunteers contribute, others don't. And the implicit rule that you have to work to be on the paper is not broken... -- C édric [[Image:kmail.png|16px]]<font color="#006AD5">T <font color="#46A3FF">alk  07:41, 14 October 2006 (CLT)


 * I think VSOP should be considered as general place where a "pool" of stars are available for in-depth study if relevant and if it is interesting for someone. -- <font style="font-size: 100%;"><font color="#006AD5">C <font color="#46A3FF">édric [[Image:kmail.png|16px]]<font style="font-size: 80%;"><font color="#006AD5">T <font color="#46A3FF">alk  07:41, 14 October 2006 (CLT)


 * Cedric, thanks for the comments. Could you have some thoughts on the following as well -- Tdall 23:12, 16 October 2006 (CLST)

How to handle inside use of VSOP targets

 * Once published, any VSOP target is obviously available for anybody.
 * Nothing we can do against that. :-) -- <font style="font-size: 100%;"><font color="#006AD5">C <font color="#46A3FF">édric [[Image:kmail.png|16px]]<font style="font-size: 80%;"><font color="#006AD5">T <font color="#46A3FF">alk  04:55, 17 October 2006 (CLST)


 * Fractions/sub-groups within VSOP can use use a subset of VSOP targets for separate analysis and publication, outside the grand scope of VSOP.
 * A "call for participation" must be sent to all VSOP'ers. Volunteers contribute, others don't.
 * Sounds perfect. Like this, no body can say "I didn't know". -- <font style="font-size: 100%;"><font color="#006AD5">C <font color="#46A3FF">édric [[Image:kmail.png|16px]]<font style="font-size: 80%;"><font color="#006AD5">T <font color="#46A3FF">alk  04:55, 17 October 2006 (CLST)

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